Comments on: Fat is the new Thin http://aslamkhan.net/software-development/fat-is-the-new-thin/ Ubuntu coding ... for your friends Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:30:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Aslam http://aslamkhan.net/software-development/fat-is-the-new-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-3221 Aslam Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:47:37 +0000 http://aslamkhan.net/?p=234#comment-3221 Craig, I am not saying that people should not develop with Silverlight, Flex, JavaFX etc. My point is that if people are going to develop with those technologies, then be very aware that the programming model is <em>different</em> from page based HTML+CSS+JS applications. Craig,

I am not saying that people should not develop with Silverlight, Flex, JavaFX etc. My point is that if people are going to develop with those technologies, then be very aware that the programming model is different from page based HTML+CSS+JS applications.

]]> By: Craig http://aslamkhan.net/software-development/fat-is-the-new-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-3220 Craig Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:10:47 +0000 http://aslamkhan.net/?p=234#comment-3220 I have to disagree with you mostly. Having primarily done web development for 10 years, there are a lot of problems with the browser as an application platform. Browser compatibility, statelessness, javascript weirdness, limited UI features. Yes it has gotten a lot better. Yes you could always write a java app. But then they have to install it. Same with .NET MSI's or exe's. Assuming they become ubiquitous, JavaFX and Silverlight let me write in the same language on both client and server, are completely cross platform, require no install and tighter sandboxed security, get a bunch of out of the box controls and UI features web browsers only dream of and I dont have to deal with cookies, javascript or session state. I do agree that every time a new platform comes out, its like the vendors have amnesia on what we've learned over the years. But theres nothing wrong with wanting the best of both worlds - thick client processing, pretty ui and ease of development and thin client compatibility and zero install or update. So build a Flex, silverlight or JavaFX app today! Die Html! Die Css! I have to disagree with you mostly. Having primarily done web development for 10 years, there are a lot of problems with the browser as an application platform. Browser compatibility, statelessness, javascript weirdness, limited UI features. Yes it has gotten a lot better. Yes you could always write a java app. But then they have to install it. Same with .NET MSI’s or exe’s. Assuming they become ubiquitous, JavaFX and Silverlight let me write in the same language on both client and server, are completely cross platform, require no install and tighter sandboxed security, get a bunch of out of the box controls and UI features web browsers only dream of and I dont have to deal with cookies, javascript or session state.

I do agree that every time a new platform comes out, its like the vendors have amnesia on what we’ve learned over the years. But theres nothing wrong with wanting the best of both worlds – thick client processing, pretty ui and ease of development and thin client compatibility and zero install or update.

So build a Flex, silverlight or JavaFX app today!

Die Html! Die Css!

]]> By: Robert Bravery http://aslamkhan.net/software-development/fat-is-the-new-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-3219 Robert Bravery Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:44:05 +0000 http://aslamkhan.net/?p=234#comment-3219 Yes, all in response to those scary clients who want the world out of a Browser. The big problem is clients expect that web pages in a browser to behave as desktop app. Then we as developers, instead of educating, bend over backwards to please the client. But having said that, I must admit that web apps have come a long way in the past few years. I don't think that it is all that bad to have these extra plug-ins in the browser world to make the experience all that better. After all, the browser is not a picture viewer yet we are pleased that we can view pictures in the browsers. Evolution is inevitable. Yes, all in response to those scary clients who want the world out of a Browser. The big problem is clients expect that web pages in a browser to behave as desktop app.
Then we as developers, instead of educating, bend over backwards to please the client.

But having said that, I must admit that web apps have come a long way in the past few years.

I don’t think that it is all that bad to have these extra plug-ins in the browser world to make the experience all that better.

After all, the browser is not a picture viewer yet we are pleased that we can view pictures in the browsers.

Evolution is inevitable.

]]> By: Herman http://aslamkhan.net/software-development/fat-is-the-new-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-3218 Herman Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:55:43 +0000 http://aslamkhan.net/?p=234#comment-3218 @Jurgen. These days it is very easy to write a proper rich client application using Java Swing or Eclipse RCP, and have then started from your website using the Java Webstart technology. I've been doing that for years, and it always impress the clients way more than any web ui. Auto-update is build into Webstart. A proper language is used to build the applications. @Jurgen. These days it is very easy to write a proper rich client application using Java Swing or Eclipse RCP, and have then started from your website using the Java Webstart technology. I’ve been doing that for years, and it always impress the clients way more than any web ui. Auto-update is build into Webstart. A proper language is used to build the applications.

]]> By: Jurgen Appelo http://aslamkhan.net/software-development/fat-is-the-new-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-3217 Jurgen Appelo Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:21:53 +0000 http://aslamkhan.net/?p=234#comment-3217 And how would you suppose to write a rich client application that runs _outside_ the browser, but is still easily downloadable on all platforms? How else can I make sure PC, Mac and Linux users are all served at the same time? And how would you suppose to write a rich client application that runs _outside_ the browser, but is still easily downloadable on all platforms?

How else can I make sure PC, Mac and Linux users are all served at the same time?

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